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Bits and Bobs - the Cast Commentary on the TTT EE DVD - "You didn't hear about the polar bear?"
November 23rd, 2003
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Bits and Bobs - the Cast Commentary on the TTT EE DVD
This is long and I'm adding as I watch, so I'll spare you with an lj-cut. *G* Just ignore... this is mostly for my benefit! Very stream of consciousness.



Wow - Andy Serkis did those unique, scary, funny orc voices for the orcs that were with the Uruk-hai who were holding Merry and Pippin?

Have I said before how much I love this man? Every time I've seen that scene I've thought about how great the voices are. *S* Now, did he do the voice of the orc that steals away Merry and Pip as well?

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Dominic comments on how much he loves Aragorn's scream when the trio of hunters find the burning stack of bodies... do you think he knew about the broken toe story? *L*!

Also, comments by several, including Billy, and, I think, Sean, as to their appreciation of the new ways that Peter had found to tell the story, such as the flashbacks to the hobbits escaping.

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*G* Wonderful! The doubletake Pippin does on seeing Treebeard's eyes was Billy's idea, and done as one of the last takes.

Wait... did Dom call the orc that he kicked away "Stephen Sinclair"? I thought... that was the name of the additional scriptwriter! [checked - it's Stephen Ure - Dom's mistake]

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Hmmm... the comments about how much Gollum looks like Andy... and... how much he starts to look like an older Frodo! Eerie.

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Brad discussing the Dead Marshes... and how that came from Tolkien's experience of the dead in craters covered in water.

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Oh! The change from Sam pulling Frodo out to Gollum pulling Frodo out... aha!

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Andy commenting on the quality of the writing (for Gollum), and how important that was, which gets overlooked in the light of the CGI. Absolutely. And Elijah feeling relief that, upon viewing the movie, he was able to make an emotional connection with Gollum.

Interesting comment by Elijah that he sees more fantasy in TTT than in FOTR, and Andy and Sean think the opposite. I think it's because, while FOTR had "places" of fantasy, TTT has more demonstrations of "magic" - which is more notable in the context of reality - such as the battle of the Balrog, the whistling for Shadowfax, the "exorcism" of Theoden, walking/talking trees, and so on.

I agree with what everybody else has been saying - Elijah is quite eloquent and thoughtful in his comments. And he doesn't sound as if he has that residual English accent in his voice anymore.

God bless Andy for talking about Sam and how important he is... and then Sean interrupts him - *L*! I think he was embarassed.

The wig story... *L* - "professionalism intact" - yeah, right! Apparently Sean's been embarassed about this for a while... and god bless Elijah for saying - hey, it was just miscommunication it was! "I was exhausted! I was tired!" - *L*! I think Sean was "putting on a voice there".

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*L* - a funny sound during the Billy/Dom part... Dom's eating! Billy protests the fact. *G* *L*! D: "Are you mad at me?" B: "No, never mind... I could never stay mad at you."

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Bernard commenting on how completely mad Brad Dourif is, after he's just talked about Brad staying in the English accent 24/7. Hmmm... so people who speak with an English accent think differently? *G*

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Brad makes some very intelligent comments about the importance of the Rohirrim, in that they gave the forces of good a cavalry, which is something that Sauron could never have. Only... in typical American fashion... he keeps saying "calvary"! *L*

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Mirando Otto talking about fighting for the scene with the sword, and how key that felt to her, both in showing Eowyn's strength and leading to her love for Aragorn, when he shows that he both respects and understands who she is. I agree so totally that I can't imagine them NOT having that in there.

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An Elijah "heeheehee" during the scene that Gollum goes after the fish.

Good discussion of the scene where Sam and Frodo disagree, and how it shows the "movements" of the relationship, and how both Elijah and Sean loved the way the dialogue was evolving.

Andy giving credit to Fran for both writing and directing the schizophrenic Gollum/Smeagol scene. Good for you, Andy! Let's give the screenwriters the credit they deserve.

Me? I love the camera work in the schizo scene - for a bit there, you really think there are two of them! As if some other Gollum has slipped in.

*chuckle* And Andy, of all people, bringing up the "Gollum" skit during the Super Bowl. *L* And Elijah bringing up the South Park show, and Sean knowing it, too! *G* "Yes, I saw that, Mac told me about it". *G*

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The Oliphaunt scene! And how important it was to Sean because he know how much it meant to some people.

Oh, I see, Lorna!!! It IS Sala! I never would have recognized him as the dead soldier; he looks so different.

Ok... end of Disc one!

Disc Two

Didn't realize poor Dom and Billy had to climb Treebeard while he was "walking", but, of course, that's true... I could see why that would be a bit intimidating.

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Darn... Sean talks about how he finally understood about the elves leaving (because the "project" of man had failed?") after talking with Peter Jackson at dinner one day... but then he doesn't share it! Darn! *S*

As usual, Elijah is making some very gracious and eloquent comments, especially about Liv. m *G* Sean's so into the practicalities; such a future moviemaker. *S*

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Good points by Sean and Frodo - about some of the points of the movie where they show how the past deeds are recorded - such as the painting of Elendil and Sauron - and how the past is mythologized, and blurs the line between fantasy and history.

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Hmmm... Sean's comments during Faramir's scene - not quite sure what he was talking about... about understanding the "other" while protecting onself from it? They're talking about Gollum? About realizing there is no true evil or good, there's good and evil in each of us?

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David Wenham: "... not an overly happy family" *L*!

Aw, Elijah - what a geek! About how it's a first to see a new character in the DVD that doesn't appear in the theatrical version. Jeez. *L*!

And they do a great job of emphasizing the likeness between Faramir and Boromir.

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Ahhh... good point, Denethor... I wonder if Faramir does remind Denethor of his wife; if Faramir favors her more.

More from John Noble - about playing Faramir "flawed" to start with, then he can have a "heroic" journey, and grow. Good - I agree.

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Talk of Gollum by Andy - how John Howe's illustration of Gollum in formed the character - and how Andy came up with the tune for the fish song. Agree with David... they went way too far in the "Clockwork Orange" scene.

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Andy, Elijah, Sean talking about the difficulties - how it wasn't 100% fun; and how Andy could never feel a scene was finished, and he'd see them over and over and over again. And the empathy that they each felt for each other.

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David mentioning how Faramir is the one character who is tempted in the movie, but not the book. And how he felt too nervous to pick the ring up off of Elijah's chest with his sword and had to have a double do it! *L*! Brad talking of how in awe of Elijah's acting.

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And good for you, Lij - remembering that people listen to these tracks, and reminding them to not smoke. Thank you. *S*

Oh, lord... Sean talking about how much farther Lij goes in showing the "suffering" in ROTK... eeeeeee.

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The "hero shot" - where Aragorn opens the door. How Bernard was going to either have nobody in the hall, or everybody in there, with girls on their knees - *L*!!! But they didn't have time. *L*! And that speech where Viggo goes on and on about the "thousands and thousands" of action figures. *G* And love his comment about how the scene where Theoden is reacting to Aragorn's comments about Rohan needing help, and how he had to "make his mark".

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*L* - Dom saying "I look like my brother there" - *L*! And how the reappearance of Pippin and Merry is like the sun coming out... or "cake"... or "popcorn"... *L*!

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Elijah's sister Hannah is in the Glittering Caves scene!!! *L*! Cool! *S*

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*L* - Bernard's "spoof" - "Who the hell let the Elves in here?"

Interesting - Craig's comment about the changing accent of the elves and how they started off Irish, then evolved.

Good point from Elijah about the absence of music and how it emphasized the reality of the scene, looking over the uruk-hai.

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Hurrah for Craig! *G* His comment about how every actor wants a glorious death scene reminds me of that little conversation we had. *G* I suspected he loved having that scene. *S*

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Interesting discussion by Billy... Aha! Fran and Phillippa let Billy riff the "the closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm" - WHOOT! And how Pippin can put himself in Treebeard's place, but Merry was trying to make Treebeard be in HIS place. And how Merry and Pip complement each other.

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Agree with David... the "seed of doubt" in Faramir's mind is there, and growing... but not enough for him to take the drastic step of letting the Ring go.

The symbolism... how everybody justifies taking/using the Ring to do something for the world, but in reality it's just a justification; they really want it for itself.

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Billy and Dom's discussion of trees - that everybody loves trees - and how one of the few times there's a cheer from the audience is when the ents come.

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*L*!!! Andy, Elijah, and Sean discussing food and catering! And Subway sandwiches! *L*!!! And then all the backpedaling from their comments. What sweet guys.

BAD DOM!!! And Billy for giggling. *G* Oh, dear... "Daisy" Wenham. And it IS going to stick. Poor David.

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*L*!!! Bernard's seat... which got all embossed with Rohan figures *L*!

Ahhh... I didn't think of this scene as a "handing over" of power from Theoden to Aragorn... I saw it as more reminding the king of his kingliness, and re-inspiring him.

*L* - I agree with Billy - I thought it was an amazingly steep hill that somebody would ride a horse down... ditto with the riding of the horses through Helm's Deep and down that narrow causeway. EEEK!

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*S* Sweet Billy: "I got carried away and started lying, Dom" *L* - as if Dom hasn't been telling tall tales the whole time! And the little bit of Pippin tossing the stone to Merry.

Nature defending itself... good.

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Damn... no added fight! And Elijah finally curses. *G* As does Sean. "Put it under his chin" "Which one?" *L*! Awww... and Elijah commenting that Sean really set himself up for the fat jokes because he was so insecure. Andy and Elijah saying that the scene by Sam tells the whole theme of the movie. And the compliment that the screenwriters felt Sean could do it. Billy commenting on how the speech goes back to the stories that the hobbits know.

Awww... Billy saying how proud he is to have been a part of these movies, and Dom agrees... and Dom says how proud he is to be sitting there with Billy... and Billy says "not for long"... and Dom says "I love you"... and Billy, in the sweetest way possible, says "I love you".

*L*!!! Billy forgetting his train of thought and having Dom fill in... and then he remembers.. and then he forgets... *L*! Ah - Merry and Pippin in the movie compared to the book... were they bystanders (standbyers? *L*) in the book? No!

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Good for Sean for pushing for the heroic in Sam. Good for all of them, for caring so much about their characters that they all pushed for what they thought was right, while, at the same time, working with Peter Jackson. And poor Sean, being afraid that Peter Jackson would want them to be like the Bakshi cartoon hobbits.

Poor Gollum. He's really hurt at the end. I truly dislike how easily people kick and hit him. He's practically naked - no protection. How could anybody do that? Interesting that Andy says that, originally, Smeagol was complaining about his hands, his poor, poor hands. Again... how badly Gollum's been beaten. Don't you love Andy's voice? So deep and vibrant!

Oh, dear... Billy's reading the credits... I'm reminded now of the telephone book-reading story.

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From:freakspawn
Date:November 24th, 2003 09:21 am (UTC)
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Oh, I see, Lorna!!! It IS Sala! I never would have recognized him as the dead soldier; he looks so different.

Did I say that??? I don't remember. Anyway it isn't him, he has said so himself. Sala is the Uruk-hai warrior at Helms Deep, the one on the rock, the one that kills Haldir by hitting him on the head with his sword!
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From:rosamundeb
Date:November 24th, 2003 05:08 pm (UTC)
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Oh, shoot - I thought you did say that - *L*! Well, it looks a little like him. *G*

*gasp* Sala kills Craig?!?!?

Wow... now THAT has to be strange for you! *L*!
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From:freakspawn
Date:November 24th, 2003 09:28 pm (UTC)
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Well actually I quite like it! Even for no other reason than for the fact that they must have had to work very closely together to get the shot!!!!

Also Sala did me a very good impression of how he killed Craig, which after having seen Craig doing his death scene, was extremely hilarious!!!

*G* I love those two guys, and I cannot wait until the day I will be able to see them together!!!!!
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From:tootsiemuppet
Date:November 24th, 2003 09:56 am (UTC)
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You didn't stop after that bit, did you? There's another fun bit with Elijah and Andy. (Ooh, the voice in my head said that as "Elijah ran Andy" WHEEE!)

Hee, did you notice you wrote "Sean and Frodo" somewhere?

Throughout the eentire commentary, I think I loved Elijah best (*GASP*). I'm seriously gonna have to reconsider my Three Lists now. Especially the Discussion one. Everything he said was just so ... gaah, it just made SENSE. There was a bit where he talked about religions and I bounced up straight, pointed at the TV and squeed to Lisa (who was on the compuuter with the heeadphones on so I doubt she even heard me.)

Boy's Man's smart. Me likes.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:November 24th, 2003 05:16 pm (UTC)
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I agree. Elijah's funny that way. Sometimes he comes off as a alternating stiff and silly; here he seemed to be very comfortable, and "himself", judging by the sound of his voice. Plus, I think the fact that he was with Andy and Sean means that he has a way of acting around them that comes through in the commentary.

But, come on - Andy's VOICE! *fans self*

*L*! And, even I, an American, kept mistaking Lij for Sean and vice versa, probably since they were the only ones with American accents. *G*

And Sean - such a dear, but he has to learn to be more succinct! *G* Felt like he was bursting with stuff to say!

And why the heck are people reading my long boring notes? I said not to!!! *L*!
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From:tootsiemuppet
Date:November 24th, 2003 07:39 pm (UTC)
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Reverse psychology. *G*

If you'd said "read this boring long note" no one would have.
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