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March 30th, 2005
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OH no!!!!! Charlie.... don't give in!

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From:ninquelosse
Date:March 31st, 2005 03:59 pm (UTC)
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My God. We just sat on the couch gaping.
Locke's been betrayed by his family twice - multiple times if you count the foster families - is the island acting as his parent now? Or specifically a father?
There's a very father-specific theme running through the whole story - either real fathers or father-figures (or skeletal padres) showing up on the island or in flashbacks. (And then there's Rousseau, the lonely Artemis. Huh.)

Hey - don't you love Sayid's little forge/toaster repair shop setup? Sweet.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:March 31st, 2005 06:46 pm (UTC)
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Yes... was the theme of the show "using people"? I mean, Locke's dad used him, Boone "used" his nanny, Locke is using Boone (or at least may feel so)...
From:ninquelosse
Date:March 31st, 2005 07:57 pm (UTC)
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Sacrifices.

Also, we have a whole bunch of orphans/half-orphans/neglected children here. Another wondering point.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:March 31st, 2005 08:16 pm (UTC)
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Oh, you mean the people on the island in general? Hmmm...

Sawyer - orphan
Locke - adopted

Hurley - still with mom
Charlie - ?
Kate - ?
Claire - ?
Sayid - ?
Boone and Shannon - I think the mom is still alive...

From:ninquelosse
Date:March 31st, 2005 11:08 pm (UTC)
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Hurley - no dad? and grandpa just died
Charlie - big brother abandoned him
Kate - Bet'cha a Diet Pepsi that the man she 'loved and killed' was Dad - is this too far out?
Claire - where are her parents in this baby situation? And baby's dad abandoned him/her already
Sayid - Sometimes the armed forces can act in loco parentis - does he feel abandoned by his? Did someone in the army stand up for him - or not - when he chose to let the girl go?
Boone/Shannon - Mom might be alive, but never acted like a mom - hence Teresa.

I'm using orphan very loosely here. Maybe abandoned/rejected/hurt - they're all alone, each in their own way. Lost Boys (and girls).
From:ninquelosse
Date:March 31st, 2005 11:09 pm (UTC)
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Or maybe the dissolution of families? Is there evidence of a "whole" family in the lot?
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From:rosamundeb
Date:March 31st, 2005 11:26 pm (UTC)
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Darn, you beat me to it... I was gonna say... "and lost"... *G* Since that is what J.J. Abrams said the show is about - not just literally lost but emotionally, too. Yep... and of course the boy (why can't I remember his name? Walter?) just lost his mom... and his stepdad abandoned him.
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From:fionaghal
Date:April 1st, 2005 04:44 am (UTC)
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Poor Locke! I was so feeling his pain there, what torment!
I noticed that Father Specific thing too! It IS very pervasive. Father theme is big....plus great mythological themes throughout! That's why I love it so much.

One thing I noticed is... there are many stories about a person giving up and finding hope and sacrificing in the end...a big theme in Mythology. The lonely Artemis.. did she have a child? I always wondered about that comment. Alex was her child, right? Did she give him up?

I had to laff at Sayid's new "job". Pretty handy guy!

Nu
From:ninquelosse
Date:April 4th, 2005 01:50 am (UTC)
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In classical Greek mythology, Artemis is childless (and a huntress - the story of Actaeon might be of interest) - but in older traditions she was a mother goddess and associated with childbirth. But yeah, traditionally the virgin huntress, so I was off there. Mmmaybe.
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