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February 8th, 2006
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Just rambling LOST thoughts as the episode plays out!
Lj-cut for spoilers...

Good on Charlie - not letting Sawyer get to him. And... damn... he's looking cute! *G*

Is anybody else thinking that Warrior Woman staged the kidnapping to get people riled up to fight? It's a possibility.

Oh, fuck... Charlie was in on it?!?!?! Charlie did it out of hate to Locke? And he took Sun? And he doesn't want the drugs. Oh, god... don't let Sawyer turn into his role model!!!!!!! That would be sick.

So mixed in my feelings here. On the one hand, I kind of thought Charlie had some backbone there for a second. But to do what Sawyer suggested? Without even knowing why? God.

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From:cyloran
Date:February 9th, 2006 02:42 am (UTC)
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I'm not watching it right now (I've brought work home) but my first thought from the commercials was that it's either Ana Lucia or Jack himself so people will stop being complacant and get "afraid" enough to fight back.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:02 am (UTC)
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Aaaaand... we were both wrong! *meep*
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From:cyloran
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:12 am (UTC)
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I guess because what we were thinking was so very predictable. Oddly enough, I'm finding that I like the show (and some of the characters) less and less this season.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:42 am (UTC)
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Hmmmm... it does seem to be lacking something. Maybe we need more personal moments?
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From:green_ghost
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:06 am (UTC)
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I'm really not liking Charlie at all lately. He's always acting so petulant, and for no reason.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:44 am (UTC)
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Although... *snort*... at least it explains why tiny little Sun was able to "escape"... *L*!

I know, I know, she was meant to, but - still! *S*
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From:green_ghost
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:01 am (UTC)
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Yes, there's that... it was a good plot device, and I was surprised... but Dom has been playing it Charlie-one-note lately. I think that's mostly what's been bugging me (plus the fact that I thought the last Charlie-centric episode was awful). I hope they write him better stuff.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 05:11 am (UTC)
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Really? I didn't think it was awful, but it is... confusing!
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From:green_ghost
Date:February 9th, 2006 05:31 am (UTC)
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Oh yeah... they just re-hashed his first story again, and then the hallucinations went on forever. I was glad when Locke cleaned his clock, at least something finally happened. I was on the Lost board that night, and even the commments were down. My mom even mentioned to me something about "how did Lost get so boring?" I enjoyed the week before (the Mr. Eko story), and there was plenty of old-school Lost tonight (Jack v. Sawyer, Sawyer one-liners, Hurley humour). Like I say, I hope they can come up with some interesting stuff for Charlie to do besides thrusting his fists against the posts and acting indignant towards everyone.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 05:42 am (UTC)
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*G* "He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts"? Bit of an "It" cross-reference here?
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From:green_ghost
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:03 am (UTC)
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Oh geez, I don't remember that from It (I just think of the creepy clown and the little paper boat with paraffin wax going down the sewer drain) when I think of that story. I just remember it as an old quote or a tongue twister.

Amidst the mists and coldest frosts,
With stoutest wrists and loudest boasts,

He thrusts his fists against the posts,
And still insists he sees the ghosts.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:57 pm (UTC)
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Wow... I'd never heard the whole thing!

Yes... the main character (brother of the little boy who got taken) had a stuttering problem and used to say those last two lines whenever he started stuttering...
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From:quiet_moments
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:22 am (UTC)
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I actually liked it tonight. I enjoyed seeing Sawyer be more nasty. They usually have those types of characters be rough around the edges but they have a heart of gold. It's been done to death. Let the man have a bit more naughtiness already. hehe

Charlie...I am mixed on my feelings about him. On the one hand, in some twisted sort of way I like that he was in on it, out of spite to Locke. After all, Locke really did act like an idiot when he beat the crap out of Charlie. In front of everyone. Very bad taste, imo. And this season, I am just annoyed with Locke. Last season he was one of my favorites. I still like him, but I find him more annoying than anything. So I sort of understand Charlie's feelings there. Still, I hated to see Sawyer conning him. I mean, everyone involved was used by Sawyer, either knowingly or unknowingly. But he played them all. And it broke my heart to see Charlie being a part of it for that reason. Still, like I said, I kind of like a darker side to Charlie. It will make for a more interesting journey back from the depths.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:42 am (UTC)
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Me, too... in a strange sort of way, I was glad that he was doing *something*, at least.

*shudders* A darker side to Charlie? Damn. What if he makes a stronger "better" bad guy... than he does a good guy?
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From:quiet_moments
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:47 am (UTC)
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It is very possible that he might be stronger in that sort of role. Which would be a good thing because it might show more people his depth as an actor, and further help him to distance himself from Merry. It might open up new possibilities for him as an actor, too. This could be a very good thing. hehe
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:57 am (UTC)
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True... good for Dom... but NOT for Charlie. *whimpers*
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From:pearltook1
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:32 am (UTC)
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I've not gotten into LOST much at all this season. From the very first show it just felt different. Too confusing or something. It's almost as though they are heading for a "Lord of the Flies" type thing where no one ends up being very nice. i've had trouble getting behind anyone this season. I just hope it doesn't tank and hurt Dom's career.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 05:10 am (UTC)
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Hmmm... you might be right. They might "take off the gloves" this year, and have everybody show their dark side. But... that would be fairly expected in this situation. Hope it all ends out good for Dom, too. *S*
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From:piratesorka
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:42 am (UTC)
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I love this program. So far this year each episode has only drawn me further into the story. Charlie does not seem like a one note character and I think I like this turn towards the dark side in him currently. He is a misunderstood bad boy.

LOcke and Jack have irked my last nerve so I was thrilled to see there is a new sheriff in town.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:55 pm (UTC)
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*L*! Yes... but the new sheriff is PSYCHO!
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From:piratesorka
Date:February 9th, 2006 08:45 pm (UTC)
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OH I'm not so sure the old sheriffs were so wise either. Locke has some big issues going on,....I still haven't forgiven him for driving Boone so hard or for beating up Charlie...and Jack, who made him God?
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 10th, 2006 04:23 am (UTC)
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Ummmm.... Jack did? *G*

Yes, everybody seems to feel that Locke went too far.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:56 pm (UTC)
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p.s. Got some pics of you at the mic asking questions of Billy in the batch of pics I'm working on. Okay to post? I won't use your name.
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From:piratesorka
Date:February 9th, 2006 08:46 pm (UTC)
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Go ahead and post by all means, use my name too.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 10th, 2006 04:22 am (UTC)
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Really? Thanks! *S*
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From:darkfaery1
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:29 pm (UTC)
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Had to work last night, so I only just now got to see the ep. It was awesome, so many twists and turns, but I'm really scared for Charlie's chances at redemption. *bites fingernails*
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 9th, 2006 07:02 pm (UTC)
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*nods* I know... he's getting closer and closer to "no way back". Short of sacrificing himself, that is... *meep!*
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From:darkfaery1
Date:February 9th, 2006 07:43 pm (UTC)
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Damn, Charlie! At least he turned down the herion. I am glad for Dom, though. He's finally getting an opportunity to show his acting muscle. He hasn't been given much since that fantastic ep from season one where he killed Ethan.

No spoilers, but I know there's a Claire/baby ep coming up. I'm hoping at least some of Charlie's actions are validated. Everything on that island happens for a reason.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 10th, 2006 04:24 am (UTC)
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"Everything on that island happens for a reason."

*G*

That's what they say!
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From:mariavah
Date:February 10th, 2006 01:49 am (UTC)
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I loved this episode! I think it was one of the stronger ones, mainly because it showed the characters as multi-dimensional.Plus they were starting to make it seem that, though many of them had behaved badly in their real lives, that they all grew hearts of gold on the island. Redemption is fine, but it was becoming kind of sacchrine sweet. This episode showed that, under pressure, everyone tends to revert to their most familiar pattern of behavior. Not because they don't want to do better, but because of habit. Looks like next weeks episode may be more of the same. Get ready a dark rest of the season...

For instance, Sawyer's not a bad man, but he is a man that has used bad behavior as a shield from getting hurt. Therefore, when threatened, he reverts to that bad behavior the majority of the time, as a defense mechanism.

Charlie was great in this ep! He has potential to be the most complex character they have and it's nice that in this episode we were able to see more of that dark side. In the last ep his actions were explained away as unselfish acts for others. Locke saw through that, but got the reason wrong. He thought it was Charlie's drug addiction that drove his actions. But actually it was it was Charlie's selfish, if understandable, need to show he was worthy of the atteniton and love he craves, his real addiction. It was why Charlie probably never would have used again while Claire and the baby needed him. Keeping the statues was evidence, to him, of his strength. Locke took them away, then Claire, leaving Charlie with no way to prove anything to anyone, not even himself, at least in his mind. He's right though, he doesn't need the drugs anymore, even though he's lost Claire, he now has his anger to empower him. By helping Sawyer he increased his feeling of power. Unfortunately, he'll probably become addicted to it, and what will he do then?

The other great thing about this episode was Jack, Locke and the The Hot Chicks being taken down a peg. They've been drawn as super heroes who have managed, virtually unchallenged, to run the show on the island, in two different camps. It was starting to grate. I would've been happy if Sawyers accomplice had been one of the extras, with the excuse that he/she was tired of those guys running everything! That would have been funny!

See, I think since we don't know what is going on with the others, that they could have started out just like these folks and a handful of strong forceful personalities ended up running things and the rest are just too scared to do anything but obey. It should be interesting to see how it plays out.


Wow... long comment. Sorry!!!
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 10th, 2006 03:56 am (UTC)
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"But actually it was it was Charlie's selfish, if understandable, need to show he was worthy of the atteniton and love he craves, his real addiction. "

You hit the nail on the head! I come to the same conclusion over and over, and keep forgetting it... good to hear it from you. Yes, he wants to be recognized for "saving others". Beautiful analysis! And, you're right. I could so see "having power" as being his next addiction.

You know... this kind of goes
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 10th, 2006 04:04 am (UTC)
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*oops! hit enter*

Makes me think of an image I saw of Charlie, in his hood... and how it made me think of Anakin Skywalker! And, sure enough... Anakin was immature, attention-seeking, and wanted to be a savior, too - and we all know how he ended up. I keep wanting to make an icon showing Charlie... then hooded Charlie.... then hooded Anakin... and, finally - Darth Vader.
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From:mariavah
Date:February 11th, 2006 03:47 am (UTC)
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Wow. I hadn't even made the connection, but it works. That would make Sawyer the Emperor, wouldn't it? New sheriff indeed...

Funny, isn't Star Wars one of Dom's favorite film series? Think he made the connection?
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From:rosamundeb
Date:February 11th, 2006 06:22 pm (UTC)
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*L*! "Sawyer the Emperor" - Love it!

I don't know... that's a very good point. Charlie certainly does seem to be going down the dark side...
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