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December 12th, 2005
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Great Good Omens Fics!!!!
From a recommendation in Monaboyd (ETA: from dashery:

"Living Arrangements" - http://thewritegirls.populli.net/afrai/living.html

And more recs here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/anniesj/367621.html

Also, this: http://www.livejournal.com/users/kraken_writes/7790.html

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From:le_mousquetaire
Date:December 13th, 2005 11:49 pm (UTC)
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love the recs... thank u =)
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From:rosamundeb
Date:December 14th, 2005 12:06 am (UTC)
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You're welcome - actually, I should credit dashery for the recs. *S* I especially liked "Living Arrangements" - sounds straight out of "Good Omens".
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From:tootsiemuppet
Date:December 18th, 2005 11:12 am (UTC)
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Yay, I've read Living Arrangements!! :D :D

*pounces on the rec lists*

Mmm thank you, Auntie.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:December 18th, 2005 07:43 pm (UTC)
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Oh, you read that one already? Cool!

Tell me... what do you think Crowley was going to do at the end?
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From:tootsiemuppet
Date:December 18th, 2005 09:59 pm (UTC)
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Just re-read it and I'm crying now. Bless it all, I forgot how bad that fic got me the first time I read it.

So apologies for any incoherence. I read it as a "take me, not him" kind of thing. At least that's what I deduced from Crowley's saying "proposition". He's not going to plead with Adam to bring Aziraphale back to life, but he's going to offer Adam a deal.

I think he'd come to the conclusion that if the world should have only one of them, it should be the angel instead of the demon. He's lost most of his joy in life, so I doubt he'd even really mind dying all that much, if it meant that he could do something influential in the process, and he's right, he hasn't done that apart from during the Apocalypse. He's decided to step up to the plate and try to for once decide on something and do it. So he decides Aziraphale didn't deserve the punishment he got and he undoes it.

What I wonder, though, is whether Adam would fulfil his request. He might have been anticipating Crowley's call, but he doesn't generally like to pay all that much attention to his "true" nature and just lets life take its course. I doubt whether he would go against the judgment of heaven.
Then again, there's this bit in the book

"Is it over, do you think?" said Aziraphale.
Crowley shrugged. "Not for us, I'm afraid."
"I don't think you need to go worryin'," said Adam gnomically. "I know all about you two. Don't you worry."


that might prove the opposite and Adam might actually choose Crowley's side and oblige him. But if he did, I think he'd probably go even further and just bring Aziraphale back without ever killing Crowley. If Adam protects one, he'd protect both of them.


... of course, there might be other explanations. What's yours?
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From:rosamundeb
Date:December 18th, 2005 10:26 pm (UTC)
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Interesting!!!

Let's see... my immediate response was "oh, he'll ask Adam to bring Az back to life because, hey, Adam owes him!"

But that dosn't quite make sense - because the writer seemed to have made it clear that that wasn't an option.

So, my second thought?

Armageddon.

But not the original Armageddon... oh no. This would be Adam and the humans and Crowley and any sympathetic angels or demons versus heaven and hell, with the purpose of getting heaven and hell the hell out of humanity's business and just letting them live and let live.

Why? Because all this time, Crowley, as he says, has "gone along with it". Oh, sure, he hasn't been working for hell like he should have been, and he and Az have had their arrangement, but now he knows what the real cost is, since he's lost Az. He won't get Az back, but he's well past caring now. After all, he has nothing left to live for, and maybe, just maybe, it will bring him oblivion.

A dark interpretation, but... what do you think?
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From:tootsiemuppet
Date:December 18th, 2005 10:40 pm (UTC)
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Whoa, I hadn't even considered that. It does seem to tie in with the book as well, doesn't it?

Crowley nodded. "A breathing space," he said. "A chance to morally re‑arm. Get the defenses up. Ready for the big one."
They stood by the pond, watching the ducks scrabble for the bread.
"Sorry?" said Aziraphale. "I thought that was the big one."
"I'm not sure," said Crowley. "Think about it. For my money, the really big one will be all of Us against all of Them."
"What? You mean Heaven and Hell against humanity?"
Crowley shrugged. "Of course, if he did change everything, then maybe he changed himself, too. Got rid of his powers, perhaps. Decided to stay human."
"Oh, I do hope so," said Aziraphale. "Anyway, I'm sure the alter­ native wouldn't be allowed. Er. Would it?"
"I don't know. You can never be certain about what's really in­tended. Plans within plans."


That's actually a very good interpretation. I might want to adopt it. The problem is, though, that Adam doesn't seem to want to be anything other than human, so would he allow another Apocalypse to happen? I mean, he doesn't seem to be very malignantly disposed against either side (human OR celestial/demonic life), so he wouldn't really necessarily want either of them to be poofed into oblivion, so to speak. At least that's what I think.

I was wondering for a second too whether Crowley would be ABLE to choose the humans' side in the Apocalypse II. He did seem to do so for the first one, but he didn't actually affect a thing. His plan to have the kid influenced by both ethereal and occult forces went to waste because they'd gotten the wrong kid, any efforts to avert the actual thing happening went awry and in the end the only person responsible for the whole thing being called to an end was Adam Young, being his perfectly human self.
They hadn't gotten to the actual fighting yet either. The forces were amassing in the sky, yes, but the battle hadn't actually begun yet. Would he have been able to stay on "neutral" ground once the thing had broken loose?

There was one thing I was curious about, though. By the end of the fic, you get increasingly more reminders of Crowley's snake/demonic nature ("there was something strangely reptilian about his face", the hissing, not being used to having hands) Any idea how to fit that into either one of our reasonings?
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From:rosamundeb
Date:December 19th, 2005 04:35 am (UTC)
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"the really big one will be all of Us against all of Them"

YES! Bless you, I didn't remember that they said it straight out!

He doesn't want to be anything but human... which is why he would want to get rid of all of this damned interfering, once he becomes an adult. I'd hate to think he'd have to beat them into oblivion, but the idea would be to "fence them out" of human life.

Could he choose? Well... he and Az had become more and more human over time... perhaps they finally picked up free will!

Yes, the reptilian features and hissing - that was part of my reasoning. Crowley... is going to do what he does best. He's going to tempt Adam. *G* Into revolting against celestial forces.

Do you know I actually emailed the author last week to ask her what she meant? *L*! No answer, though.
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From:tootsiemuppet
Date:December 18th, 2005 11:20 pm (UTC)
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Um. Apologies for the lengthy comments, by the way.

I now have three standard aswers for questions that balled me and I didn't use any of them! Go me!

(1. "That's ineffabile wisdom for you, I'm afraid."
2. "Hail Eris! Hail hail! Hail yes!"
3. "42")
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From:rosamundeb
Date:December 19th, 2005 04:36 am (UTC)
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*G* I know... I was thinking I need a bumper sticker:

"Ineffability Happens"

*ggl*
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