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Getting close to the day the new Harry Potter comes out! - "You didn't hear about the polar bear?"
July 11th, 2005
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Getting close to the day the new Harry Potter comes out!
So I've been re-reading Order of the Phoenix... and realizing I really should have gone back to Goblet of Fire! Oh, well... maybe I'll do it backwards and do that one again next.

Anyway, one thing gave me a chuckle. It's a throwaway name, but - do you realize there really IS a St. Mungo? And he's the patron saint of Glasgow?

*ggl*

*LOL*!!!!!!

Sorry... I just couldn't resist mentioning it. Points to those who remember where the name comes up!

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From:quiet_moments
Date:July 11th, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC)
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I never knew that was a real person! Did he have anything to do with the medical profession, do you know? I thought maybe that is why she used that particular name for the hospital.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:July 11th, 2005 02:41 pm (UTC)
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Darn, I wish I had my visitor's guide to Glasgow.

I know he was the founder of Glasgow (and if she thinks Glasgow is full of crazies, that may be why she named a mental institution after him! *G*). I also know there is a museum of religion that looks at all the world's religions called St. Mungo's.

Or, maybe she just thought the name sounded good! *G*
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From:singeaddams
Date:July 11th, 2005 08:07 pm (UTC)
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Oh, well... maybe I'll do it backwards and do that one again next.

That's what I did. Phoenix first then Goblet and now I'm reading Patrick O'Brian to cleanse my palate, so to speak. Ooh, I can't wait 'til Saturday.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:July 11th, 2005 08:15 pm (UTC)
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*snorfle!*

Now, wait... you're supposed to have the plain stuff (the crackers) to cleanse your palate between the GOOD stuff (the fine wine of Patrick O'Brian's writing)!

Although, that doesn't work, does it? More like, oh... Potter as, say, pizza, and Patrick O'Brian as wine and a good roast. *G*

I think I read Goblet (that's the Triwizard competition one, right?) while I was on vacation in Alaska, which is why I don't remember it too well...
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From:singeaddams
Date:July 11th, 2005 09:12 pm (UTC)
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that's the Triwizard competition one, right?

Rightio, where Hermione went straight up my nose with her House Elf obsession. Gah, that's still annoying. But I love, love, love those books even more than I love O'Brian's because they're sheer entertainment. (Without quite so much mention of rape.)
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From:rosamundeb
Date:July 11th, 2005 09:45 pm (UTC)
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?!?! "rape"? I didn't think either set of books had that! Have I been missing something...?

Ah, yes. S.P.E.W. That's getting a lot of grief in this book, too.

I guess everybody has their limits on where to draw the line on disbelief. For me, the whole "wizard society hidden within and alongside muggle society" is just too much to swallow. Especially the whole idea of going to school to learn spells - and not being allowed to use them at home! I mean, if EVERYTHING is done by spells at home (all the common housework, etc.), what in the world do the kids do? They're not even allowed to stir their tea with magic? Make breakfast with magic? Clean their clothes with magic? It's not like they have muggle washing machines and such to use until they graduate...! *G* And, yes, there's also those house elves - who appear to know how to do magic, so why are they enslaved? *L*! Guess I side with Hermione on this one!

Sorry... got me off on a vent! *S* Time for me to go back and read some more...
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From:singeaddams
Date:July 12th, 2005 01:14 am (UTC)
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Have I been missing something...?

Oh, nothing in the HP books (no matter what the hardcore HP fans say) but in the O'Brian books there's always mention or rumors of sailors raping women while on leave, cabin boys being 'buggered' by crew, women prisoners being taken advantage of etc...etc... Nothing graphic at all but it kinda sets my teeth on edge.

"wizard society hidden within and alongside muggle society" is just too much to swallow. Especially the whole idea of going to school to learn spells

OOH! That's the best part! Especially from a kid's point of view. Imagine, you find out you're MAGIC and get on board a scarlet train that takes you to a CASTLE far away from boring, mean 'ol Muggles family. A secret magic school is right up my alley.

I can see your point about underage magic, though. I guess, to take a realistic view, that magic is just too dangerous for kids to be playing with. Like a gun. Which is why they're not even allowed wands until they're eleven or twelve or so. Kids have indirect, defensive abilities though (Harry flying up onto a roof when Dudley's gang was chasing him, Neville bouncing harmlessly when his uncle dropped him from a height) and accidental magic (Harry's hair growing back overnight after being sheared or turning his teacher's wig blue) so kids aren't totally helpless. As for chores, hmmmm, I'll use my imagination and say that they have magical items that help them. Items that are voice activated the way the door to St. Mungo's is. *Shrug* Best I can do.

Why are house elves enslaved? Hmmmm, let's say some asshole wizard put an enslavement spell on a young, helpless elf or group of elves about a thousand years ago. That spell was carried down from generation to generation until there were no NON-enslaved elves left. It would never even occur to the latter-day elves that they should or even could be free. (There are parallels. How d'you think thousands of human slaves were kept under control? It was their lot in life to be slaves and shameful of them to try to escape. Not to even mention the repercussions that would fall on their families left behind or themselves if they were caught.)

Heh, I should open a 'Ask Singe' column somewhere in the Harry fandom. Give me your questions! I have an answer for everything!
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From:rosamundeb
Date:July 12th, 2005 02:45 am (UTC)
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*L*! I like the voice-activated idea.

Oooo... more questions?

How does a child whose parents are both Muggles end up going to Hogwarts? I think it's Dean who (I just read) has Muggle parents. And how do they know who has wizard powers?

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From:singeaddams
Date:July 12th, 2005 03:31 am (UTC)
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How do they get to Hogwarts (Diagon Alley, the train etc...) or how are witches and wizards born to non-magical types? When two Muggles love each other very much...

Well, lemme see...how do they know: The same way they knew that magic happened in Harry's house when Dobby smashed the pudding, of course! "How did they know that, doofus?" I'm sure the Ministry of Magical Law Enforcement has a crystal ball or something similar that tells them when an underage witch uses magic. As for SCHOOL, here's what I think: somewhere in Hogwarts itself, since it's Dumbledore that makes contact with the kids (and it would be Dumbledore that would ENCOURAGE the muggle-born kids to come to Hogwarts since I doubt the Ministry, being led by pureblood assholes like Fudge, Malfoy and Umbridge, would be very keen to invite in a load of Mudbloods year after year)is the same sort of crystal ball or a mist or a map that displays Hogwarts 'territory' and when magical types are born, they're pinpointed. When they come of age, they're sent an owl to come to school.

How do they get there: Now, it would only take a little obversation of said kid to determine if she's Muggle-born or not so, if she is, I can see a representative of the school being sent to chaperone that kid to the proper places the way Hagrid did Harry. I wonder if Hagrid chaperoned Hermione, too? She, like Dean, by the way, is also born to Muggle parents and Seamus is half-and-half. (Rumor has it that HE'S the half-blood prince. Er, I dunno.)

Maybe a column's a bad idea.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:July 12th, 2005 03:43 am (UTC)
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That's right... I forgot about Hermione.

*G* I still think you should write one!
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From:onecheekyhobbit
Date:July 12th, 2005 06:27 am (UTC)
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I KNEW THAT!
*skips around*
K
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From:rosamundeb
Date:July 12th, 2005 01:38 pm (UTC)
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*pets you*

Of course you did, you Scotland-expert, you! *G*
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From:onecheekyhobbit
Date:July 12th, 2005 05:36 pm (UTC)
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I just remember them talking about it on the tour and I was like, "DUDE! Harry Potter!" *skips around some more*
K
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From:knitting_hobbit
Date:July 12th, 2005 08:30 pm (UTC)
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*giggles with you* Remember when we found out that Snape is a real village in England! *more giggling*

That's a good idea - reading one of the past HP's. I've forgotten most of what happened in O of P (not to mention the others).

I plan to take the Shireling with me to at least the beginning of the book party. I wish I had a costume for the wee one. We were going to be Mrs. Weasley and Ginny, but Daddy won't let us put temporary redness in our hair *ggl*
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From:rosamundeb
Date:July 14th, 2005 01:37 pm (UTC)
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Awww... that would have been fun!
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