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May 16th, 2005
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Help me, oh classical scholars!
I read about Hercules back when I was a kid, in Edith Hamilton's "Mythology". I thought I knew Hercules. But I have no idea what the hell is happening in this movie - *L*! Ummmmm, Jack of None? Any clue if this stuff is right?

In short, cute Sean Astin, but embarrassingly bad special effects and an uneven tone. Not quite wure what these folks are trying to do. All I know is it's confusing as hell.

p.s. Misogynistic, much? His mother, his "wife", the harpies, the female lion...

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From:zanne68
Date:May 17th, 2005 02:09 am (UTC)
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It's weird, it's almost not about Hercules. And the dialogue! Hoo boy. The syndicated series with Kevin Sorbo was miles better on a weekly basis.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 02:20 am (UTC)
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*L*! True.
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From:cyloran
Date:May 17th, 2005 04:15 am (UTC)
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It's basically taking the classical Hercules myth and tearing it all to hell. For instance, in classical mythology, the dude had one bitchin' temper. He did, in fact, kill Linus, his music teacher, with a lyre upside the head in a fit of anger when he chastised him during a lesson. But he was pardoned because he apparently didn't know his own strength and maybe Linus was asking to be wholloped. In the legends, Herc also kill his children and was made to atone for it. BTW, I see they cut the 9 labors rather short in this movie. The rest is just a bad mishmash of the legend from what I could see.

What a stinkeroo. *sighs*
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From:rosamundeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 04:39 am (UTC)
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*sighs with you*

This whole Hera vs. Zeus thing felt waaaaaay overdone... I kept waiting for the obligatory "Meanwhile, Up in Olympus" scene, like in the old movies.

I'm guessing they decided to update it by setting it up as the God vs. the Goddess power struggle between the matriarchal and the patriarchal.

Damn, I didn't even mention the actual slash that took place. *G*
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From:aeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 07:08 am (UTC)
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Um, Hera vs. Zeus is supposed to be entirely overdone. Zeus was pretty close to the ultimate philanderer, with the roving eyes, hands, etc. etc. etc. Hera, on the other hand was the ultimate jealous housewife. Add in Zeus's lightning bolts and Hera's own magic, and their "marital squabbles" reached a pinnacle only one legendary couple I know of has equaled. {chuckle, AMUSED SMILE}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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From:rosamundeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 01:43 pm (UTC)
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True, but I don't know if you saw the show? It was more of a Zeus cult versus a Hera cult; it really had nothing to do with the stories of Zeus and Hera at all (the philandering, etc.).
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From:aeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 07:07 pm (UTC)
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No, I didn't catch this show. I was just responding to your comment. {smile}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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From:aeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 07:33 am (UTC)

A correction

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After posting, I remembered that while Hera is a paragon of jealousy, she isn't particularly domestic. So it would be better to call her the ultimate jealous wife, and leave the house out of it. {chuckle, BIG SMILE}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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From:rosamundeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 01:43 pm (UTC)

Re: A correction

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*G* Whereas they had her as the ultimate pagan goddess, the earth-mother.
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From:aeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 07:11 pm (UTC)

Re: A correction

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No, no, that was Ceres. Hera was the jealous wife. And for the record, Vesta was the homebody. They had this part all very well organized in Greek mythology. {amused Smile}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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From:rosamundeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 08:19 pm (UTC)

Re: A correction

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I know, I know! But they decided to make it Hera in this one - see why I'm not happy? *G* They played fast and loose with the tradition.
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From:aeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 10:08 pm (UTC)

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That is so annoying... especially when they had a perfectly good "long-standing disagreement" available. {chuckle, SMILE} I don't see how an earth mother would fit into a conflict as well as the jealous wife vs. philandering husband the Greeks provided. {chuckle, BIG SMILE, REALLY BIG GRIN}

Anne Elizabeth Baldwin
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From:cyloran
Date:May 17th, 2005 11:47 am (UTC)
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What's intersting is the twist that Herc wasn't, in fact, the son of Zeus and only pumped up strength-wise (and ego-wise) because he believed he was and worked out to prove a point. Odd that none of the gods actually put in an appearance here. Only the CGI creatures. Normally they wasted no time mucking about with mortal lives.

The mythological Herc wasn't so much a hero as a big bully in most stories with a temper to match. Ultimately, his wife killed him (albiet accidentally) and he was given a place in Olympus. Which probably was a good thing, considering his penchant for killing folks in blinding rages and bashing the brains out of poor bards with their own lyres.
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From:rosamundeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 01:45 pm (UTC)
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Yep! Always doing something great, then something stupid, then having to make up for it, then stupid again... ! This was... different. They should have subtitled it "inspired by the Greek legend - but totally different". *G*
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From:ninquelosse
Date:May 17th, 2005 01:45 pm (UTC)
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Can't help you much, I don't think - most of what I recall is from Handel's oratorio. I remember he brought home a girl (who married his son in the end) and his wife was jealous; Nessus the Centaur gave her a cloak which he said would restore Hercules' love for Deianeira, but poisoned him instead. Great death scene. Furies and stuff. We had to snicker at the wedding scene:
"Love and Hymen, hand in hand
Come restore the nuptial band."
Try singing that with a straight face when you're sixteen!
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From:rosamundeb
Date:May 17th, 2005 01:47 pm (UTC)
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*G*!!!!

Never knew there was an opera about it; perhaps that was part of the source of this version of the story.
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From:finabair
Date:May 20th, 2005 05:19 am (UTC)
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Y'know, I completely forgot about this...sounds like it'd be good for MST3King sometime, tho! *grin*
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From:rosamundeb
Date:May 20th, 2005 01:53 pm (UTC)
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Oh. My. God. YES!

*lol*!!!!!!!! And I think Sean would have a good enough sense of humor to love it... even when they would be making fun of his "singing"!
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